Name This One Please

[CanonChrissy]

Im still learning my birds. is this a Green Tit?

 

 

[pauln]

Looks like a green finch

[FUJI]

I can't tell you but it is a very good photograph Chrissy.

FUJI

[ChrisLumix]

I'd go with the greenfinch theory too.

[JohnP]

Looks like a green finch

 

Correct... it's a male, the female has more grey in the feathers. the colour looks a little over saturated to me, otherwise a good capture.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_greenfinch

[CanonChrissy]

Sorry I meant greenfinsch not green tit! Doh! I didn't due anything to the yellow saturation I don't think, but will post the original later, to see the difference. Having looked at your link, I cansee what you mean about the colours but I deffo didn't increase the saturation as much as I would need to for this difference! Haha, will dig out more images.

[ChrisLumix]

Sorry I meant greenfinsch not green tit! Doh! I didn't due anything to the yellow saturation I don't think, but will post the original later, to see the difference. Having looked at your link, I cansee what you mean about the colours but I deffo didn't increase the saturation as much as I would need to for this difference! Haha, will dig out more images.

 

The Wiki picture is rather subdued - I've seen greenfinches much nearer to your colour.

[JohnP]

The Wiki picture is rather subdued - I've seen greenfinches much nearer to your colour.

 

I think the whole image is just a tad over saturated, I have no idea how much Chrissy adjusted this when post processing. I used to find images taken with my Canon 60D were a little over saturated for my liking, I adjusted this in camera under 'Picture Style' in the menu.

[CanonChrissy]

ok, worth looking into

[ChrisLumix]

ok, worth looking into

 

Before you do - it might just be down to different monitor calibrations, or even eyesight. Your photo doesn't look even remotely over-saturated to me.

[CanonChrissy]

Here's a straight out of camera one, except made smaller as it was too big to upload, taken at the same time (slightly different pose)

 

 

[CanonChrissy]

It does look a little less saturated but hardly noticeable.

[JohnP]

It does look a little less saturated but hardly noticeable.

 

Chrissy...This image looks a tad over saturated to me as well, peanuts are usually a little paler than those in this photo. If my monitor is out of calibration I do apologise but I haven't noticed anything similar with my images. I did download you original shot and I had a twiddle with it, I can't post it though as you don't want people editing you images.

[CanonChrissy]

I give you permission this time, to edit this particular image.

[JohnP]

OK Chrissy... how does this look on your monitor?  I checked the EXIF data and I noticed you had the camera set to Manual White Balance, I find Auto White Balance works just fine on my Canon 60D in almost all my shots. There have been the odd occasion when I've set it to manual if it's really cloudy or extra bright but I leave white balance set to auto nearly all the time.

 

[CanonChrissy]

On some of my shoots, usually my wildlife ones, where you only have a split second to catch a moment, I us a programme mode (usually sport), to capture the high speed action. This is probably my experience and insecurity but I have messed up too many times using manual and missed the shot. Im happy on manual in situations where I have control however, shots like this I tend to 'hide' behind programme mode. Hence auto white balance

[ChrisLumix]

OK Chrissy... how does this look on your monitor?  I checked the EXIF data and I noticed you had the camera set to Manual White Balance, I find Auto White Balance works just fine on my Canon 60D in almost all my shots. There have been the odd occasion when I've set it to manual if it's really cloudy or extra bright but I leave white balance set to auto nearly all the time.

 

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To me, that looks like the difference between (say) normal Fujicolor print film, and Fuji Reala - which one you go for is purely a matter of taste. I can see that your edit is less saturated John, but which is "correct", and is there such a thing anyway?

[CanonChrissy]

Much debate.

[JohnP]

Perhaps I shouldn't have started this... all I can say is that I try to make my images look as true to life as possible, the way I see the subject with my eyes. Someone else will quite obviously see things like colour differently as none of us are the same. I've spent loads of my time studying and photographing nature and to my eyes Chrissy's images looked a tad over saturated. I fully appreciate that to other people the images could look perfectly OK, to others my images may look over or under saturated but as I can't look at them through other peoples eyes I can only make adjustments so that my images look life like to me. I can only presume that everyone else does the same.

[ChrisLumix]

Perhaps I shouldn't have started this... all I can say is that I try to make my images look as true to life as possible, the way I see the subject with my eyes. Someone else will quite obviously see things like colour differently as none of us are the same. I've spent loads of my time studying and photographing nature and to my eyes Chrissy's images looked a tad over saturated. I fully appreciate that to other people the images could look perfectly OK, to others my images may look over or under saturated but as I can't look at them through other peoples eyes I can only make adjustments so that my images look life like to me. I can only presume that everyone else does the same.

 

Having said that, I once did an online test where you had to rearrange 4 or 5 rows of colours, each containing around 30 small squares of very similar hue, so that they went in sequence from one colour to another (e.g. purple to orange, blue to green, magenta to crimson, etc) - I scored 100%! Apparently that was rare...

[CanonChrissy]

John, Im pleased you started a debate, its very interesting and a healthy debate does us good. Often, people used to comment that my images were too dark, yet to me, on my monitor, they looked ok. I calibrated (is that the right word?) my monitor and now I don't get that comment anymore.

[ChrisLumix]

John, Im pleased you started a debate, its very interesting and a healthy debate does us good. Often, people used to comment that my images were too dark, yet to me, on my monitor, they looked ok. I calibrated (is that the right word?) my monitor and now I don't get that comment anymore.

 

Again, that's a subject for great debate! I have my monitor brightness turned right down, as otherwise it hurts my eyes (or quickly makes them fatigued), and I adjust my pictures accordingly. That must make them appear too bright to people who have their displays at full brightness ... but what can one do? It's a real conundrum.

[JohnP]

It's a real conundrum.

 

I'm not sure what you can do about that Chris!

[CanonChrissy]

I used to take the pictures I thought everyone else would want me to take, but now I take the image I want and, though I like to receive critique and take on borad some comments made, I do remain true to my heart. Specifically, this refers to my 'wall art' images, usually abstract or still life, where I have purposely taken the image the way I have, but I am more open to acting upon critique on a, lets say wildlife or landscape image.

[JohnP]

I used Opanda to look at the EXIF data for both your Greenfinch shots and I see you used manual white balance, as I almost always use AWB on my Canon 60D this morning I tried some test shots using various manual white balance settings. It was quite bright when I took the shots so setting like shade or cloud were not really the correct settings, I was really just trying to see what difference there would be with each shot and I was surprised at how much each shot varied. I think going on my findings it's quite important to make sure you select the correct white balance setting to suit the conditions when using manual. I find my Canon 60D works best using AWB, I could quite easily forget to change the setting for the next shot if I used manual...