What do we do with 20/30 fps cameras

[jeremy rundle]

I shoot a lot and I mean a LOT of sports, I shoot at 6fps with a D7000 and 7100, the other week I took 1000 shots in a day, for the first time ever I overflowed on the 7100 cards

 

In ten days I collect my D4s and 810 and wonder

 

What the hell I am going to use 11 fps for.

 

Ok there have been a few occasions when I know I have lost a shot at 6fps, 

 

Take Jack Moule here who I shoot at all the P1 shows around the country, our British Jet Ski aquabatic champ

 

 

 

 

This is one occasion when a higher frame rate will be appreciated, however I can think of few others, now I know there are such as divers hitting the water and golf swings, but, as many have found this means massive amounts of time in later editing.

 

I am now spending more time on the computer than behind the camera and that is not what photography is about to me.

 

Now with mirrorless we are being told that 20+ fps is NEEDED and "sold" this as we have been "sold" 46Mp cameras, told that unless we have 30fps and massive Mp we are out of date and unable to take a good shot.

 

I am getting my gear because I need it (do I) well yes if I am to stay ahead of the game and compete with other photographers in this game, I can tell you for a fact that if you turn up with amcams such as a D7100 (am cam, thats a laugh, the 7000 range is stunning) you are not taken seriously by the "establishment".  Is it "needed" to take winning shots NO, 100% NO.  People were taking pro shots that still stand out with Nikon F, Spotmatics and so on.

 

But as I started the thread I will end, this comment, I now find that it is becoming almost impossible to work through massive file sized and the overload of quantity, and if nothing else it has made me go back to my early days in photography and once again plan shots.  Ok all decent photographers know when to shoot, they instinctively know what is coming next but where as that 1/2 a second on the shutter once gave me 5/6 shots you are  or can now be hammered with 15/20, sheeeeeeeesh

Edited August 3, 2014 by jeremy rundle
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[Phil]

Jeremy, please refrain from posting external links. Ta.

[Guest]

so in summary you are buying a load of kit that you don't actually need to get the shots you want because you are concerned that the establishment wont take you seriously, if by establishment you mean other togs, they aren't buying your images so who cares what they think, if by establishment you mean the people buying the images they wont care what it was taken on as long as its of the right quality for their requirements. So why are you buying it?

[jeremy rundle]

Jeremy, please refrain from posting external links. Ta.

sorry I forgot

[jeremy rundle]

so in summary you are buying a load of kit that you don't actually need to get the shots you want because you are concerned that the establishment wont take you seriously, if by establishment you mean other togs, they aren't buying your images so who cares what they think, if by establishment you mean the people buying the images they wont care what it was taken on as long as its of the right quality for their requirements. So why are you buying it?

 

Let me tell you a story

 

many years ago  friend of mine who is still a friend and runs an exceedingly profitable video business told me a story.

 

One day he went to a venue to shoot video, most of the other videographers went with the standard shoulder mounted bulk SVHS cameras, they went in through the press entrance no problem.  He arrived with the latest "hand held" camera, and was almost turned away as they thought he was an amateur.

 

I probably attend more venues than you have (at a guess), no insult intended, and I can assure you that whilst what you have does not make you a better photographer, what you have does have a bearing on how you are seen and treated by the other press and more importantly the people I deal with who buy my work, MDs of rather large companies.

 

I can assure you that I would NOT be treated seriously if I turned up with a D3100, also I am sure no self respecting Director of a company, or Manager would attend a business function in a ten year old Rover

 

I also supply mu video shots to a TV company, they and others want to know you are capable of delivering and have the gear TO deliver.

 

Why am I buying it, why do people drive around in a Mercedes when they could use a Fiesta, 1. because the can afford to and 2. because it portrays a status. Like it or not.

Edited August 3, 2014 by jeremy rundle

[ChrisLumix]

 

Now with mirrorless we are being told that 20+ fps is NEEDED and "sold" this as we have been "sold" 46Mp cameras, told that unless we have 30fps and massive Mp we are out of date and unable to take a good shot.

 

 

I sympathise 100% with your frustration. 30 fps? That's more than video frame rates!!!! Sheesh.

[annie]

WHOOSH.............thats the sound of all this going over my pea brain...

[JamWheel]

I go to quite a lot of events and entry is based on passes, not grade of equipment. Nor does anyone pay attention to the gear being used. I can see a specific set of requirements for TV footage as there will be a requirement for broadcastable quality.

From a photographic stand point, I know guys who work for the mags on mid range slr gear. In a mag most print sizes will be small anyway.

At 11 fps, half a second certainly won't give you 15 - 20 shots and if you're already getting 5 - 6 in that time, you already have 11 fps!

Higher rates are useful in aviation and certainly wildlife.

If you don't use or need the fps, don't worry about it. You seem to be winding yourself up. Certainly there are higher end cameras with lower frame rates (5d mkiii for instance)

[jeremy rundle]

If you go back to the original post, what I posted about was in fact "what do we all do when FPS and Mps get out of hand"

 

My comments related not to what I have/had/do but to the never ending race by camera companies to increase sensor sizes MP wise and frame rates to such and extent that post processing will be almost impossible

[Leon]

I turn up to Harewood with mt entry level Canon, granted the pictures they want are only for a website, noone (to my knowledge) had dissed me, I have been asked how I get a media pass, I just replied be nice to the right people and prove you can take a good picture..

 

now I have said before and so has Jeremy, I have reached the limitations of my camera so would love another, but I would NEVER buy something just so I looked "pro".

 

but saying that you are fortunate enough to have the spare money for the gear so why not, If I won the lotto I'd buy myself dome very expensive gear, but I would use it, having a contact that may be able to get me press access for the BTCC, there I would need 10FPS..

 

enjoy your new gear, if you get fed up with it send it to me

[jeremy rundle]

Some are missing the point.

 

If I was to take a potential client out for dinner (and I have more than once) who plans on spending a fair sum with me I dont take them to Mac Donalds

 

If they ask me to do a shoot that is costing them a lot and I am working on site I don't turn up in a tatty van with a D3100 and a £50 flah

 

IMAGE also counts

 

I hope NO ONE here would attend a wedding shot in jeans and a T Shirt or rely on one camera body, however again this is not what the thread was about.

 

It was about the difficulties we are all now experiencing working with a combination of massive file sizes and high frame rates COMBINED, giving us post processing nightmares.  I never stared by saying what gear was snob appeal, expected or anything else that has been written in by others.