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any thoughts on this article?
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/540908/anti-social-photography-can-get-you-arrested-say-police
 

‘ANTISOCIAL’ PHOTOGRAPHY CAN GET YOU ARRESTED, WARN POLICE

• By Chris Cheesman   Wednesday, 20 August 2014
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AP INVESTIGATES Police warn they can arrest a photographer if he or she refuses to give their name and address and an officer deems their photography in a public street to be ‘antisocial’.

^{One of around a dozen images taken in Brighton by photographer Richard Selby, who was not arrested. Police claim that another of his images shows a teenage girl in 'hotpants' and was 'inappropriate' [Copyright, Richard Selby 2014]}

The police warning, following a clash in Brighton, East Sussex, last month, echoes accusations of antisocial behaviour levelled at a photographer in 2009 before controversial anti-terror laws were repealed. This case eventually led to Lancashire Police paying out thousands of pounds in an out-of-court settlement to amateur photographer Robert Patefield, who sued the force for wrongful arrest.

The latest spat involves 81-year-old photographer Richard Selby, who has filed a complaint with Sussex Police claiming that an officer threatened to arrest him if he did not identify himself.

Selby – a former assistant to renowned American photographer Art Kane – ran into trouble while taking pictures of ‘hen parties' in Brighton.

The former freelance photographer was approached by two police community support officers following complaints by members of the public at 11pm, in West Street, Brighton, on 25 July.

Selby – who has since lodged a complaint with police chiefs – says the people being photographed had not objected to his picture-taking, and that he had only taken a couple of photos when the officers approached.

The incident led to the PCSOs calling a police constable who, Selby claims, asked for his name.

'I said, "I don't have to give you my name", and he said, "I could arrest you".'

The constable then summoned a police sergeant to the scene.

Feared 'spending weekend' in cells

Selby says he supplied the sergeant with his name, for fear of 'spending the weekend in police cells', and he agreed to 'go home'.

‘It was intimidating... surrounded by four police [officers] demanding my name and threatening me,' Selby told Amateur Photographer(AP).

The force claims that one of Selby's photographs shows ‘a teenage girl's bottom in hotpants with her lower buttocks clearly visible'.

A Sussex Police spokesman added: ‘The sergeant suggested [to Selby] that this wasn't appropriate.'

In response, Selby told AP that he did not believe the girl in the shot to be a teenager.

And he denies the force's claim that he was ‘holding the camera low around his groin and taking photographs of the girls when they were bending over'.

Selby stresses that the officers were satisfied his pictures had not broken any law after reviewing them on his digital camera, a Sony Alpha 7R.

The veteran photographer, who has worked in New York, Paris and Milan - and spent several years working at the German edition ofPlayboy - told AP: ‘I was just taking pictures in the street.'

Police deny that officers threatened Selby with arrest.

A Sussex Police spokesman added: ‘Police officers on patrol in Brighton city centre were informed by two members of the public (one being a security staff doorman) that they were concerned for the safety of a man who was taking photographs of a group of girls.

‘They [the officers] felt he might be in danger if he came to the attention of a group of men who were in the vicinity of the girls who may have taken exception to him taking photographs.'

The spokesman said the sergeant advised Selby that ‘his actions may be considered to be antisocial'.

Selby says he was taking shots for a personal project about Brighton, where he lives, and had no plans to sell them.

He estimates that the police incident lasted at least half an hour, during which time he took around a dozen shots.

Antisocial behaviour laws

Section 50 of the Police Reform Act 2002 requires a person to give their name and address if an officer believes that a person ‘has been acting, or is acting, in an antisocial manner'.

However, Sussex Police say they did not formally ask for the photographer's name and address under the Act.

The Crime and Disorder Act 1998, which deals with antisocial behaviour orders, defines 'antisocial' as acting in a ‘manner that caused or was likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress to one or more persons not of the same household as himself'.

‘This was not the excuse given to me at the time I was stopped, when they said I might have been photographing indecent acts or minors,' claims Selby, who branded any such suggestion ‘ridiculous'.

‘I think this is a new interpretation of the [Crime and Disorder Act 1998] and very dangerous for every photographer, as it would imply that taking a photograph can be "antisocial behaviour".'

In an earlier statement, issued yesterday, Sussex Police said: ‘An elderly man was stopped late at night in Brighton city centre after complaints were received by officers from members of the public about him taking photographs of women dressed for hen nights.

‘He was acting in an antisocial manner and in these circumstances a police officer may request a name and address to establish a person's identity.

'There is a power of arrest if this is refused.'

Selby says he plans to take his complaint to the local police commissioner, and may take the matter up with the Home Secretary.
 

all my lenses are 2nd hand except the Sigma 70-300 I had, I'd rather have an older Canon lens that that thing, silly thing is it cost me more than the Canon!

before I bought the tamron, I did my research and the tamron version won, the sigma version had too many complaints against it.

What are flatcoats?

Dogs.

Best breed ever!

the lens only cost about £90, so not worth the repair.
I have my new 18-200 today and played a bit with it and it does the trick so far. Will be good for dog photography wen out with all the flatcoats. then I dont have to carry too much kit.

here a few shots from today

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Well done

Did you send it to them or DoD they find it?

Well done

Did you send it to them or DoD they find it?

they found it, through photography groups on facebook

So i hope you bought 2..

Btw I've read you are going to experiment with doing portraits ..

This lens will do you think?

I had a quick look at that. ... i will have to try again tomorrow lol.

I think they like the photo because lately they have been saying that wildlife loves the presence of the turbines. And people hate them

I know it is only a word,.. but I got an email from someone working for EON who wants to forward my photo to the PR people there as they might be interested buying.

Even if it does not go ahead, I still love the idea that my photo is that good lol

(EON is the company who owns the windturbines in the back)

Now guys if it goes ahead,.. how do I sell? 

very true,.. btw coupled to extension tubes it is the max!

btw, I got the lens for free,.. amazon failed to send it to me on time so I complained,.. they sent me another one and both sudden arrived,.. one went on ebay so I got my money back lol

Maybe its karma

thank you guys,.. it was the £100 version, a cheap lens, but you'd be amazed with the performance of the glass.
I ordered yesterday a secondhand sigma 18-200, and today a friend offered me a tamron 70-300, old model without motor for free,.. so I am ok again for awhile,.. maybe I skip the repair and keep it as a spare,.. I can still zoom pulling the barrel,.. 

Not sure how you guys feel about cheap lenses, but I really love them! and most of my work is done with them

one of my dogs knocked my camera with my favorite tamron 70-300mm lens and it is now broken,.. the zoom does not work unless I pull out the barrel myself to zoom.
Has anyone attempted to fix something like this before?

maybe you guys should do a comparison with or without a stofen outside.

I dont have any to try myself

I can only reply on the first question, which is £600

the time of the wedding I only just started photography,..so I can understand why they didnt ask me. but seeing the photos they might as well have done.

 

 

 

J&P wedding.jpg

I like this shot,.. nothing distracting and it shows the love of the couple. 

I often find myself being critical of one of my images and happy with another only to discover, when presented to a non-tog, that they have the opposite opinion.

I think forums and club judges have taught us all over the years to obsess over technicalities rather than consider the image as a whole and whether or not it is pleasing to the eye.

That makes us more critical of other's work I suppose because we can't see that ' nice image' any more because we aren't ignorant of the horrific mistakes

that makes sense. I am not a pro, but I have been studying techniques and what do's and what dont's 

so we will have a different eye than the customer. and see things they don't

But what I was saying is that the result is nothing better than most mobile phone shoots on a wedding. If it was me, than I would be dissapointed seeing things on a photo that wont belong there.

The bride looked like she had a tash because the lighting used . It is just too obvious.

I have never done a wedding shoot myself, but I think i would have done things a little different.

I saw a couple of photos of my Sis-in law's wedding and I must say for  the price she paid the photos were,.. rubbish. My oh received a photo of the bride and my OH's son.

I cant show the photo but I explain. 
taken in a reception area infront of a door with an exit sign in the back ground. obviously her flashgun was also pointed forward as you see lots of shadow on the photo too.

So before we printed it I blurred the background (as all was in focus) and got rid of the sign.

I so think I could have done better myself!

do you guys get annoyed at times for similar reason?

Wordpress is a great tool to make photography websites too.

That is a shame to hear. maybe something pops up at some point. 

have a look and maybe try it?

http://lightzoneproject.org/

I have seen a video test about the buffer which confirmed the camera dealt better in crop mode and only jpeg... not sure if it was digital rev or another one

very good choice, I think any of his pictures could have won this

well done

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